Curse

Mr. Matt · May 04, 2006, 01:12 PM // 13:12

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Originally Posted by RTSFirebat

Good points all around.

Yes its true there are people who spam spam spam for dyes at only 100g and then sell them at 3 times the price. Sadly this is a fault on A.nets are.

Maybe they should change it so that when you first pickup a dye, a blue help pop-up box should tell you what they generally are worth, appox only of course. Like this:

"You have picked up a dye. To use it on your armor or weapons simply double click on the dye and then click on the item you wish to apply it to. All dyes have only one use, even if you mix different dyes together. Dyes are worth different amounts in the player market. Check at a Dye trader before selling them"

Sadly it will always be the case where there are people spamming in Pre-searing trying to take advantage of people.

Agreed. I have always thought it a bit misleading that when you mouseover dye it says 'value: 1 gold'. When you've first started the game you have absolutely no idea what anything is worth unless somebody tells you, but if they don't... you're screwed. I fell for the same trick when I first started the game, selling three different dyes for 100g in one go thinking they were otherwise worthless. With nobody there to tell me differently, I thought I'd got a good bit of gold for something worthless. Boy was I irritated when I saw the dye trader! Back then, most dye was worth a fortune.

ArTy · Jun 08, 2006, 03:11 AM // 03:11

Interesting read

I've met a few people intending to keep their characters in Pre permanently, but before the glitch. If i'm bored I might be tempted to start a Pre-only character

arcady · Jun 08, 2006, 05:11 AM // 05:11

Bit of thread necromancy there eh?

pre is interesting, but the world is too small. My first character took a week to finish all the quests, my second did it in three sittings, my third is four hours old and most of the way through...

And after you finish all the quests, you're going to be at least level 7, maybe 9. At that point half the critters in pre earn no XP, and you start running out of things to go after unless you can find people to let you over the wall.

It does seem like dye drops more often in pre, and one could turn a profit by 'farming' dye in pre and then taking it to post, dropping it with the xunlai, deleting the character, and repeating - but that's the kind of 'anal retentiveness' I'm not willing to deal with.

pre does have the best looking armor until you maybe get to the '15k' stage - which means that once you leave pre you've got a long wait with an ugly looking character...

pre also seems more social. Ascalon has people chatting rather than spamming most of the time. Post has been lost to spammers and you can't really say it has any sort of community anymore, but I've seen characters at level 1 just sit for hours in front of the gate in pre doing dance routines and chatting. A bit silly, but at least it is some form of community.

Former Ruling · Jun 08, 2006, 05:35 AM // 05:35

"Economy" in Pre is limited to:
Collector Wanted Items (The most of which are Spider Legs, and Unnatural Seeds)
Some people spam sale quest items, like bear pelt.
Weapons make up like .001% of what is sold.
And Dyes.

And Dyes is even cutting it - because 99.99% of Buyers are coming from Post Searing knowledge, trying to make a buck, either from pre, or taking them to post.

arcady · Jun 08, 2006, 05:43 AM // 05:43

I will never understand why anyone would buy a bear pelt, or any other pre quest item. They are so easy to get.

I took out a series of bears today with a, at the beginning, level 2 mesmer. After the first pelt I just left them behind and 'farmed' for XP off the rest as a way to get to Wizard's Folley.

Only reason bears ever presented any problem to me with my first character was that I didn't know about the 'aggro circle' and would run around until I had a mob of them on me.

Even 'over the wall' can be done with a low level character if you avoid aggro... but a bear pelt is one of the easiest 'battle quests' to complete, you can do it on 'accident' just trying to get to the next outpost. Likewise with all of the collector armors. Just walking to the collector will give all its items more times than not.

GloryFox · Jun 08, 2006, 05:49 AM // 05:49

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Original Post by Cottage Pie

hey, ignoring my opinion?

pretty ignorant, really, considering i know easily as much as these people 'bout the game I do have actual knowledge, I do have 2k hours playtime, and i read a lot, gg.

there is no pre-searing economy to speak of, at all (bar all those pathetic dye scammers), the trades for the big items are often conducted OUTSIDE of presearing for a start (like, 5 people wanting to spend all their cash on leaked items in presearing is no economy, it's a niche group of people who think of themselves as "elite" LOL) (go and check WTB forums for relavent posts), thus that's a post-searing/the real economy, if anything, trading for pre-searing items...

yeah, you really just /ignored me after reading that.

You can learn a lot from a Troll

Sagius Truthbarron · Jun 08, 2006, 08:57 AM // 08:57

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Originally Posted by Bluefeather

2. I don't agree. I don't know any monster that will give you experience point when you reach level 14~

3. I don't agree. Unless someone exploited an old bug which according to you has already been patch. It means there is no longer supply/production of those items from unauthorized source.

Yes, it is possible to hit level 20 in pre-searing. There have been numerous threads of people posting that. Old news.

Yes, it was an old bug. But people smuggled in 10 item bags and lots of post-searing items. I don't think any of those accounts got banned or whiped, so I'm sure there are still quite a few people running around with max weapons and greens.

Here's just one example: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ht=Pre-searing

Big_L · Jun 08, 2006, 03:53 PM // 15:53

For dumb reasons I'm not gonna bother explaining, I just got a Seige Turtle Minipet in presearing. Anyone have ideas on what it could sell for in pre relative to post? I, of course, would only have interest in keeping it in presearing in order to move whatever I get from it into post. Could it possibly be worth more in presearing black dye than gold in post? Or there is also the possibility of trading the pet in pre, and taking gold in post, if that trade could be worked out/trusted.

I dont mean to turn this into a WTS post, so keep the comments related to general presear economy introducing minipets, otherwise, PM me or find me in game.

Any thoughts?

Markaedw · Jun 08, 2006, 05:12 PM // 17:12

Mini pets are worth 40+k, if you want to sell you yours sear and sell it, but be advised you only get one per year.

Eviance · Jun 08, 2006, 07:52 PM // 19:52

Personally I like spending loads of time in presear. I don't have to share my drops, I don't have to share my gold and dye is easier to come by there if you know where to hunt it. However I have never kept one there longer than lvl 13. Needed the money it had stored on it

Usually I earn tons of gold and give it to the newbies and tell them not to spend much of it till they post.

For me personally its easier to make money in pre for low levels than it is in post - again you don't have to share your drops and so forth.
2mesmer lvl 5 taking out the charr camp... IT TOOK HOURS lol! But it was fun and we ended at lvl 7 and 8. Got 1black, 3 silver, a butt load of charr hides and carvings. ^_^

Tingi · Jun 08, 2006, 07:58 PM // 19:58

im sry but wat is this "bug" that u can get greens and ectos in pre? i dont get it...

Eviance · Jun 08, 2006, 08:41 PM // 20:41

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Originally Posted by Tan Blademaster

im sry but wat is this "bug" that u can get greens and ectos in pre? i dont get it...

You could hit G and go to the guild hall, stock up and hit leave guild hall and go back. At least from what I understood anyways

Tingi · Jun 08, 2006, 09:43 PM // 21:43

ohhh thx for explaining. i feel a bit stupid now hehe.

Age · Jun 08, 2006, 09:47 PM // 21:47

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Originally Posted by Cottage Pie

there is no pre-searing economy unless you scam dyes off newbs, 'nuff said.

i believe I know what the person is getting at and that is there are no dye or rune traders in pre as to the economy and those selling on the trade chat.I will say this that farming is better in pre although if you get say 250 pieces of wood you can't make parch out of it.

markus_thom · Jun 15, 2006, 08:51 AM // 08:51

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Originally Posted by hellboy909

Vewwy interesting. I'm gratified to know that I'm not the only one who loves playing pre-searing.

One question: can you somehow charm the rabbit as a pet?

pre searing was awesome maybe they should extend it and make it into a pre searing game where u can see all of ascalon and tryia before the searing lol.

By the way Im just dreaming.

Gonzo · Jun 15, 2006, 09:50 AM // 09:50

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Originally Posted by Eviance

You could hit G and go to the guild hall, stock up and hit leave guild hall and go back. At least from what I understood anyways

Actually you had to go to observers mode first before being able to enter the guild hall. I tried it just before it was fixed, only to say "Lol, i'm in the guild hall." in guild chat with my pre character.

Roupe · Jun 15, 2006, 10:13 AM // 10:13

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2. I don't agree. I don't know any monster that will give you experience point when you reach level 14~

The four Charr bosses at Northlands are lvl 10 ->lvl15 characters get exp from them = lvl16 characters

The monsters also get exp from killing players, npcs or pets.

so after getting killed a number of times (, its depending on your (or pet)lvl and the monsters lvl) of yourself by a monster, the monster would gain a lvl (and repeat). This is extremly taxing and IMHO boring. For instance a lvl 10 monster killing a lvl 16 would need to do it 300 times or so (at least im told it feels like it)

saving all quest to lvl 16 get you close to lvl 17 (you get adequate skills from starting quests, but you dont have to finish them)

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3. I don't agree. Unless someone exploited an old bug which according to you has already been patch. It means there is no longer supply/production of those items from unauthorized source.

Still those items from the glitch are still in pre-seering. Purple items are generated in pre seering & drops frequent in Northlands.

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6. It was. Not anymore.

It is a two man effort two charm a bear in pre-seering, there are some threads in the forum on the exact strategy to do it

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ght=charm+bear

Skawtt · Jun 15, 2006, 11:23 AM // 11:23

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Originally Posted by theRizzler

Yes, that would help many new players in their quest to not get ripped off.

So would adding a Dye Trader to pre. It won't happen, and it would sort of mess with the pre-economy.. But it would be worth it, so the newbies wouldn't lose so much gold to the scammers.

How about adding a dye trader whos prices in pre are not affected by all the other dye traders?

nova-exarch · Mar 24, 2007, 06:41 AM // 06:41

Maybe someone didn’t understand the word choice... here's some good info:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy

and:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/economy

specifically:

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The system or range of economic activity in a country, region, or community: Effects of inflation were felt at every level of the economy.

Within the community of players that choose to leave characters in pre, there is most assuredly a community within pre-searing.

Whether or not that economy interacts with the post searing economy does not mean that it is not it's own sub economy within the entire GW economy.

Saying there is no pre-searing economy is much like saying there is no economy or economic structure in let’s say, Nevada. With the reason being that Nevada is a part of the United States’ economy. That is not even close to being true. Even though the economy of the state of Nevada is not very likely to affect the overall US economy (much like pre affecting GW as a whole) it is still a separate entity that is affected my many factors that do not affect the rest of the US.

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Hows THAT for some topic necromancy? (have this one in my favorites and I just happened back upon it LOL)

Quest_techie · Mar 24, 2007, 09:18 AM // 09:18

whoever said do quests right off, that's backwards, conserve quests, quests are a static value, monster exp isn't

much bigger deal presear